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blue grass

Registered: September 2008
Posts: 92
October 13, 2008 4:36am

Hi Kayes. I wonder when this pic was taken as I'm glad to see cyclists still on the road. It used to be wonderful to cycle round the Lake Gardens under these graceful Rain Trees. It may no longer be so safe now with the many cars on the road. Have you ever cycled on this very stretch of road?
A note of interest- these trees are excellent hosts for epiphytic plants.
kayes

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 3,586
October 13, 2008 5:44am

hello Blue Grass, I have walked all over the Lake Garden. I think I have traversed every road, path and patch of grass of this beautiful place. Whenever I am in Taiping I still see many people cycling, both in town and at the Lake Garden. Cyclists have to be more careful nowadays though. The wife of my good friend from Hong Kong loves the sight of these raintrees. Each trip to Penang, she will ask me to drive her to Taiping just to look at those trees.
kayes

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 3,586
November 15, 2008 12:52am

Would you like to know who created the beautiful Taiping War Cemetery, now known as the Commonwealth War Cemetery? Check it out at:-


http://www.TaipingTalk.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=207
Peter

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 26
November 15, 2008 1:12pm

I have visited the Taiping War Cemetery twice, once as a boy in 1956 and recently while on a holiday in Penang. While I was in Taiping I also visited the Taiping Christian Cemetry to locate the grave of a friend's brother who was killed in a motor accident, When I returned to Australia, I found out that a British pilot (Sqn Leader Arthur Scarf) was awarded the Victoria Cross for action during the Second World War is buried in the War Cemetery there. It is set in a lovely peaceful area of Taiping and well worth a visit.


Thank you, Mollie, for your informative detail on the history of the cemetery. As a way of expansion, I work at the Australian War Memorial as an Information Assistant (Visitor Services) and I am sure that our collection staff would be very interested to be in touch with you.
kayes

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 3,586
November 15, 2008 1:23pm

hi Peter, I am not sure whether Mollie has "reached" Penang Talk yet. She told me she is very new at the computer ..... just a couple of weeks old in fact. Can you please post this over at Taiping Talk under that particular thread?
Peter

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 26
November 15, 2008 8:39pm

Hi kayes, I tried to post on the thread above but could not register under my Username. Can you help or pass on my message to Mollie please?
kayes

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 3,586
November 16, 2008 3:19am

Peter, you could not register your user name because that name has been taken by someone else.
Mollie

Registered: November 2008
Posts: 7
November 17, 2008 12:35pm

Hi Peter, I've finally cracked it! But only by clicking around I'm afraid. Thank you for your message and your interest in my Father's photos. I really want to stress that the album is one man's record of the period, a piece of social history and an eight year old girl's recollection of conversations with her father not a forensic piece of history. My Father came home in 1948 (relunctantly) and he died in 1957, I've had the album ever since. I've looked on the Internet at the Australian War Memorial sites and none match place names that I have in the album, nevertheless it was 46 Graves registration Unit's job to see that all the fallen were properly buried. There are photos of 10 other War Cemeteries around the region including a small one of Kranji Cemetery, Bukit Timah Road, overloking Jahore Straits. Also photos of the Memorial to Chinese massacred at Kuala Trengannu. I wonder if that relates to the large picture already posted. If you think that there anything of interest please let me know. I have told Kayes that I will scan further photos not only related to Unit but general pics of the period when I can get access to a scanner. I'm afraid I'm having to learn fast. I do use a computer at work but I've never done anything like this before!
Ann

Registered: September 2008
Posts: 36
November 18, 2008 12:27am

Hi Molly, Thanks for sharing those photos with us. I'm sure there'll be many who would have an interest in them. I would like to see pics of the other 10 War cemetries please, at least to understand the history of the region. I remember in my visits to museums in Labuan, Kuching, North Borneo to have seen pictures of the war and in Labuan to have visited the War Memorial which is near the beach and the war cemetry as well.
I look forward to viewing your other general pics of the region during that period. Thanks once again. Regards.
Peter

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 26
November 18, 2008 1:28pm

Hi Mollie, The Australian War Memorial, as well as being a world recognised museum, is also very involved with keeping available and promoting records such as your father's unit, both for its historical and personal aspects. They also have close contact with the Office of Australian War Graves, Department of Veteran Affairs, and in turn Commonwealth War Graves, who no doubt would also be interested. If I may I would like to make some enquiries for you. Regards Peter
Mollie

Registered: November 2008
Posts: 7
November 18, 2008 7:58pm

Thanks to Ann and Peter for your interest. Yes I'm happy for any enquiries to be made. The Album will need a home eventually and I would rather it went somewhere where it would be of historical interest - Malaysia. Although I'm hail and hearty and not yet retired it needs to find its place. In doing this I feel that my Father has 'come home' in a way. It's where he would have wanted to be and if it adds to the social history of Malaya (Malaysia) wonderful!. Taiping was definately 'the one' the photos mainly relate to Taiping. The others are just photos. Belhamed Sept 43 (2), El Alamein June 43(2), Gebeit Aug 43 (2), Heliopolis Aug 43 (3) Trim..Gury, S.India (undated), Beyrouth (undated), Beyrouth New British Cemetery (in a very raw state). Maaten Bagush(2). Port Said (undated). Old Cairo(undated) that one looks rather nice. Haifa War Cemetery, Memorial to the Chinese masacred at Kula Trengannu (I think I mentioned that one before) and Kranji Cementery (small photo). Ann Lauban,Borneo is not noted by name but there are references to Borneo. Also there's a photo of the inside of a plane 'highover Siam' - dont' have a clue about that one. I do know that he was also in Burma - he loved Burma because he said that the Burmese were the most kind ang gentle people in the world. i think generally he was in love with the region! I'm hoping to get a scanner, sooner, rather than later and then I'll start sending some of the photos to Kayes and hopefully they will be enjoyed - not everyone's cup of tea, the 1940's but I'm sure they will be of interest to some. To Peter, when you make your enquiries my father was (I believe) a non.com. from the ranks. He continued after the war (for his short time)as a reserve officer and looking at other photos I think that he dropped back to Captain,there are photos with the 'captain caption in the album. Military protocol is a mystery to me but to the family a country boy from Pontypool gaining any rank seems to have been a big thing!
Ann

Registered: September 2008
Posts: 36
November 19, 2008 1:08am

Hi Mollie, Thanks for the list. My interest is mainly in South East Asia and not the Middle East and East Mediterranean. My view is that the whole album should eventually go to a War Memorial like the one in Canberra as a historical record for Australia and because the pics were taken of your father.
According to my husband, a senior warrant officer (SWO) is the highest rank attainable by a non-commissioned soldier. A non-commissioned soldier with a rank of SWO(non-commissioned)can be promoted to a higher rank of a Captain(commissioned)under the following circumstances:
(a)display of extreme bravery in battle
(b)in peace time the highest recognition and award to distinguished individuals for outstanding contribution to the country (very rare)
The commission of an officer is given by the highest authority of the country.
Hope this information is useful.
Peter

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 26
November 19, 2008 10:20am

Hi Mollie, I have yet to explore my contacts at the Australian War Memorial (AWM) but on reflection I am thinking that the Office of Commonwealth War Graves (CWG - head office in The UK) might be a fitting and proper place for your father's photos. There are representatives of the CWG here in Canberra who are attached to the Office of Australian War Graves who I will speak with soon (they are attending today the ceremony for HMAS Sydney, sunk in WW2 and recently discovered off Western Australia). In the meantime I presume that you are living in the UK and if so I can get contacts there for you. In any case it will be good to see the photos here (a great thanks also to kayes for using the TaipingTalk site for bringing them to light!).
Mollie

Registered: November 2008
Posts: 7
November 19, 2008 12:45pm

Thanks to Peter and Ann for the replies and additional information. Also to Kayes for giving me the opportunity to do something useful with the album. I really like your idea Peter of the CWG were interested in them it would put my mind at rest to know that they would go somewhere where they be of some interest.
Mollie

Registered: November 2008
Posts: 7
November 19, 2008 3:20pm

Hi Peter, I've just been tidying the album and I found the name and address of a Major C.A.Reavell of Hampton Street, Brighton S.7 Australia. I'm wondering if he had a similar post to my father? Interesting! It was obviously quite important because the name and address have been written twice.
Mollie

Registered: November 2008
Posts: 7
November 19, 2008 5:10pm

Thanks Ann for that information. I was told by Aunt (his deceased sister) that he was non commissioned. He was mentioned in despatches and has a little oak leaf on his bar but I have no idea what that was about.
Peter

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 26
November 19, 2008 6:57pm

Hi Mollie, Being "mentioned in despatches" (the little oak leaf) indicates that he has been decorated for his work. His war (and post-war) record would be held by the Ministry of Defence in London.
Ann

Registered: September 2008
Posts: 36
November 20, 2008 12:55am

Hi Mollie, We found in, http://www.honours.gov.uk/honours/wear.aspx, a mention of despatches which could shed light on your father's oak leaf:


"1945-93: The single bronze oak leaf Emblem, if granted for service in operations after the cessation of hostilities in the Second World War, is worn on the riband of the appropriate General Service or Campaign Medal. If such a Medal has not been granted, the Emblem is worn directly on the coat after any Medal ribands. The single bronze oak leaf Emblem is also used in the Armed Forces to denote a King's or Queen's Commendation for brave conduct or a King's or Queen's Commendation for valuable service in the air granted since the cessation of hostilities in the Second World War."
Mollie

Registered: November 2008
Posts: 7
November 20, 2008 10:59am

Thank you the information Ann I seem to learning a lot lately! Going back to his rank could my Aunt have got mixed up and it was a temporary rank, did they have temporary ranks during and just after the war. I am certain when he came home and went to camp every year as a reserve his rank was captain but again its only a child's memory.
Ann

Registered: September 2008
Posts: 36
November 20, 2008 1:19pm

Hi Mollie,
I've some information on temporary rank and is as follows:
"Rank. Is the official level in the military hierarchy, with appropriate pay and allowances.
Substantive (Rank). Is the fully paid and confirmed (commissioned) permanent rank.
War substantive (Rank) The holder may revert at the end of war to previous rank held
Acting (Rank). The holder assumes the pay and allowances appropriate to the acting rank, but a higher commanding officer may revert him to previous rank held.
Brevet (Rank). Is a temporary rank, often honorary, without the pay and allowances appropriate to the rank
Local or Temporary (Rank). Is an unpaid rank, usually granted for a specific task operation or mission in a specific location or period. "


Information on Australian army ranks can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Force_ranks_and_insignia
Mollie

Registered: November 2008
Posts: 7
November 21, 2008 1:17pm

Thanks for that Ann its been really interesting. My next task is to get access to a scanner and get some of the old photos of Malayasia to Kayes!


Best wishes,


Mollie
Ann

Registered: September 2008
Posts: 36
November 21, 2008 1:55pm

Mollie, It is my pleasure to have helped resolve some unanswered questions. Regards.
Peter

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 26
December 1, 2008 11:41am

Hi Mollie, I have been in touch with the Office of Australian War Graves here in Canberra and obtained the following contact at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission in the UK for you. Mr David Parker is the Director, Information and Secretariat, there and his email address is david.parker@cwgc.org, postal address, 2 Marlow Road, Maidenhead, Berkshire SL6 7DX.
If you wish to donate your father's records to the Australian War Memorial, please contact the Memorial's Accessions Officer, Registration Section, Australian War Memorial, GPO Box 345, Canberra ACT 2601, Australia in the first instance (email donations@awm.gov.au) with a description of what you would like to donate. The curators there will advise you of further details before accepting your donation.
I wish you well in securing eventually a fitting home for this important piece of Malayan war and post-war history and look forward to seeing some more of it when you master the art of scanning! Warm regards, Peter
kayes

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 3,586
December 19, 2008 11:58pm

Here's an email message from Mollie :-


"Hi Kayes,


I've had one of those days with this computer and the one at work. I managed to get on to Penang Talk Forum and saw a message from Peter dated 1st December, promptly lost the page and then couldn't get it back again. I wanted to thank him for the information he posted and I am going to follow it up. If you can would please put a little message on Penang Talk Forum for me? I would be very grateful.


Update - we now have a brand new scanner at work, although not hitched up yet, so I'll be posting you some more photos in the new year. I also intend to get a scanner for home use - needless to say I won't be hitching it up!


Many thanks


Mollie"
Peter

Registered: July 2008
Posts: 26
December 20, 2008 7:47pm

Hi Mollie, Thanks for your message, much appreciated! I too sometimes have those types of days, not only with computers, try mobile phones, photocopiers, answering machines and those infernal touch phones "dial 1 for sales, dial 2 for service, etc"!!!


All the best for the season!


Regards


Peter
cope

Registered: October 2013
Posts: 80
May 29, 2019 6:19am

Anyone wondering about the first post. Cars are not allowed on the rain tree road. Wonderful walking place.



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